Given the context of this post, this fits Hackful way better than HN...
nice read, also engineering has a good standing here in Germany i think this also applies partially to developers here. There´s still such a lack of Tech/IT culture in corporations of any size.
For a lot of people in corporations developers & software engineers are perceived as 'the guys for the web stuff' who somehow huddle the stuff together. Their 'web stuff' just need to work somehow and must be cheap.
So they are only willing to pay for a guy who huddles web stuff together - and so they only get a guy who huddles stuff together.
Which causes issue/problems at least on mid-/long-term perspective, which furthermore approves their false initial opinion and low valuation of the tech/it branch.
Maybe if some more consumer oriented european corporations/startups grow to a global scale this will spread more substancial opinion about the Techs to a broader audience and to non-technical people.
The good standing of engineering in Germany is a big cliche, imo. Actually engeneers get paid quite bad.
I have a big problem with the term programmer. Is it somebody who is applying computer science concept or is he just putting together some pieces of code. CS Experts get a lot more money then the article says. At SAP you start with over 40000/year.
yes the term programmer is quite unfortunate, the article seems to actually use this for a 'programmer' which is not necessarily a CS Expert. And i guess a CS Expert wouldn´t even look out for programmer positions on the market.
Around 40-45k is the current starting salary for Bsc CS and a bit more for Ma CS.
Afaik Engineers even do have slightly better entry salary.
With the standing i meant that programmers are often not recognised as engineers. And due to the german education system, they indeed aren´t. Don´t know the actual figures but i think it could be possible there are more programmers in Ger/At who aren´t engineers out there than CS Alumni who are.
I´m curious why do you think the standing of engineering in Ger is a big cliche?
I mean Ger has one of the highest Export volumes worldwide, a strong sector of small and medium sized companies, all with a significant base in engineering - its even one of the countries tademarks. I think if theres a cliche, its at least justfied :)
This is an issue with web development since time immemorial. Web pages are simply HTML and tools like Word generate HTML so web sites are just collections of Word files, right?
I don't think this problem will ever go away for the simple reason that the presentation of the most trivial HTML through to the most complex web application is all through the browser so people with very little understanding of what goes on under the hood apply the same maxim: "all web pages are created equal".